[Badger Bob]

The last thing I'd ever do is compare Jagr to Ron Francis. He can make that kind of comparison, but he's no Ron Francis. He's still a moody bitch and it wouldn't surprise me if Jagr actually has a negative affect on that locker room during the playoffs.

[FanSince74]

freak, on 09 April 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

but they have different roles

Jagr is there to mentor that younger crew, as he puts it, "the way Ronnie Francis" helped him. and if he deserves any credit for the numbers Giroux and company are putting up, he's doing a pretty good job of that

i doubt the Flyers expected Jagr to do any more than he is doing, and for evidence, I'll rely on the NHL Players poll a couple weeks back, that among his peers in the NHL, Jags still ranked in the top 20 players currently playing

thats all i need to know

i dont remember where Cooke was

Cookie is a team player, and has changed is style of playing as proof. Jagr is too busy dyin' alive at casinos

[freak]

FanSince74, on 09 April 2012 - 03:11 PM, said:

Jagr is too busy dyin' alive at casinos

So why did a majority of his peers place him in the top 20 players currently playing then?



some of you need to get over it already

[billvill]

freak, on 09 April 2012 - 05:37 PM, said:

So why did a majority of his peers place him in the top 20 players currently playing then?



some of you need to get over it already

Because there is a distinct difference between being a good player and being a good teammate/person. Guy is a dick. F him.

[TDL]

freak, on 09 April 2012 - 05:37 PM, said:

So why did a majority of his peers place him in the top 20 players currently playing then?



some of you need to get over it already

5 players per team is now a majority of players in the league?

http://www.thehockey...ayers-No-1.html

and i'm sure these players are looking at the history of the player...why else does sid finish first playing only 8 games before this poll was done.

there are many players on this poll who are out of place...and jagr is one of them

[freak]

billvill, on 09 April 2012 - 06:01 PM, said:

Because there is a distinct difference between being a good player and being a good teammate/person. Guy is a dick. F him.

ahhh

so Cooke can change, but Jagr is incapable? he's gotten good press in Philly

[freak]

TDL, on 09 April 2012 - 06:34 PM, said:

5 players per team is now a majority of players in the league?

http://www.thehockey...ayers-No-1.html

and i'm sure these players are looking at the history of the player...why else does sid finish first playing only 8 games before this poll was done.

there are many players on this poll who are out of place...and jagr is one of them

i wasnt sure how they asked, but i was surprised too when i saw it

if i had said "consensus" instead of "majority", would that have been better?


man, some of you can really hold a grudge well

[billvill]

freak, on 09 April 2012 - 06:53 PM, said:

ahhh

so Cooke can change, but Jagr is incapable? he's gotten good press in Philly

Cooke was never a douche, a headhunter...maybe, a dirty player...probably. I've never heard a single report of him being an ass in the room or, and more importantly, slandering Pittsburgh, the ownership, or the fans. Jagr is still a douche, as evidenced by his handling of the "I'll play for Mario for free, oops, psyche...no I won't" **** him.....forever. Hey, like who you want, freak.

[freak]

i believe Penguin fans project quite a bit of "doucheness" that doesnt really exist

On why he nominated Jagr this year for the Masterton Frank Seravalli said:

http://sports.yahoo....-133906324.html





"But that's not why I voted for Jaromir Jagr as our Masterton Trophy nominee from the Philadelphia chapter of the Professional Hockey Writers Association. Jagr isn't even a comeback player in my mind. He never stopped playing, he just went to a different league.

"Instead, the Masterton Trophy is the award presented to a player who 'best exemplifies the qualities of perseverance, sportsmanship and dedication to ice hockey.' For me, the key with Jagr is his dedication to hockey. From the time he arrived in Philadelphia last September, he's been nothing but a true professional, as far as our eyes can tell. Most fans have heard the story of the team returning home from a preseason road game to find Jagr skating by himself, after midnight, at the team's practice facility. Not because he missed practice that day. Just because he was bored and wanted to skate.

"Jagr is 40 years old. He has accomplished just about everything one can in hockey: two Stanley Cups, two World Championships, an Olympic gold medal, a Hart Trophy, at least a hundred million dollars worth of salary, 8th all-time in NHL points. The list of accolades can go on and on. Recently, we were hanging around waiting to talk to a player in the Flyers' locker room. It was at least 45 minutes after most players had exited the ice. They had played the night before. He came off, dripping sweat, with a 40-pound weighted vest and ankle weights tied to each of his skates. He loves to play the game. He wants to win.

"Most importantly, Jagr is humble. He wants to help his teammates. In January, Claude Giroux went through a 12-game goal scoring drought, which is a pretty damaging streak for a possible Hart Trophy candidate. Both players were skating down on a 2-on-1 with an empty-net and Jagr fed Giroux before they even crossed the red line. He later told me that he "would have missed anyway." Most of his teammates played with him in video games as kids, yet Jagr can frequently be seen either drawing X's and O's with the Flyers' bevy of rookies or laughing and joking with them. He will help his teammates in any way he can - and he is one of the few universally adored players in that Flyers locker room.

"So, for those who say that I voted for Jagr as the 'easy' comeback choice, they haven't been able to see him in action like I have over the past 6 months. I was skeptical when the Flyers first signed him last July, given the rumblings about a possible bad attitude, but this Masterton Trophy should be one more feather in an already filled cap when he decides to finally hang it up. Especially at his age, I haven't seen a more dedicated player to his craft."


from a rather close perspective

[billvill]

Good for Frank. I still think Jagr's a douche. To each his own, though. You wanna like him, like him.

[Robert Goulet]

If there's one thing the Frank Masterton Trophy represents it is leaving one league for more money and coming back to that former to play for the highest bidder.

Jagr always has, and always be, about Jagr.

[Astro_Mikey]

The guy never should have left the NHL. He'd be more than just legendary.

His attitude in PHI may be a bit different, but the guy is still an enigma. You never know if he's going to just do his job or if he's going to throw the team/organization/city under the bus.

I never found the heart to burn my Jagr poster when he signed with Philly. I put it in a closet in the back, in the "disgraced" pile.

Is the booing him necessary? No. Being a little pissed about him in a Flyers sweater? Yeah. I'd be a little pissed. He said he'd play for Mario for league minimum. $3M in Philly != minimum wage in Pittsburgh.

Either way, it doesn't matter. Next season doesn't matter right now. The playoffs in 2 days ... that's what matters.

I still love Max Talbot. I still appreciate Jagr's contributions to the history of the Pittsburgh Penguins. I still love Bryzgalov and the way he played out here for the Coyotes. However ...

Screw Talbot. Screw Jagr. Screw Bryzgalov.

LETS GO PENS.

[Dingo]

you know I'm still mad as hell at Jagr, but to see him skating Saturday, to see him strip the puck and take off the other way, it gave me chills. I want to hate him but I can't. He may be 40 ucking years old but dammit he still has magic in him. and y'all know if he were to sign a one year contract with the Pens next year, you would give yourselves carpal tunnel from fapping. whether you hate him or like him He is still one of the best players out there.

[FanSince74]

freak, on 09 April 2012 - 05:37 PM, said:

So why did a majority of his peers place him in the top 20 players currently playing then?



some of you need to get over it already

I never said he wasn't a good player. His attitude before he left the Pens organization was horrid, and it showed in his play on the ice. Whether it was intentional or not, he wanted out so don't let the door hit you on the behind when you leave. I never booed him when he came back to Pittsburgh, in fact I laughed at those who did.

Then he goes to Mother Russia to play there and get the big bucks, and comes back to the NHL. Fine, good for him. I was very much on the fence when he said he was considering the Penguins, but then he goes to Philly. That to me is showing his true colors, a douche. I liked his play when he was with the Pens, but personality and attitude mean a lot too. Philthy can have him.

[TDL]

freak, on 09 April 2012 - 06:55 PM, said:

i wasnt sure how they asked, but i was surprised too when i saw it

if i had said "consensus" instead of "majority", would that have been better?


man, some of you can really hold a grudge well

i never held a grudge...i never booed him ever...


I didn't like his comments when he left but hey..that's who he was...i was luke warm about him coming back this past offseason..figuring it would be best for his image in pittsburgh more than anything else...if he ever comes back, i will want him to do good for the good of the team...if he doesn't, i will want him to do bad for the good of the penguins...

for me...even how much i joke about geno...it's whats best for the front logo of the jersey...not the name on the back...i want the pens to win..and whatever helps them win the most...

[freak]

Astro_Mikey, on 09 April 2012 - 08:24 PM, said:

I still love Max Talbot. I still appreciate Jagr's contributions to the history of the Pittsburgh Penguins. I still love Bryzgalov and the way he played out here for the Coyotes. However ...

Screw Talbot. Screw Jagr. Screw Bryzgalov.

LETS GO PENS.

This

+5

[Robert Goulet]

Dingo, on 09 April 2012 - 08:58 PM, said:

and y'all know if he were to sign a one year contract with the Pens next year, you would give yourselves carpal tunnel from fapping.

He won't, so don't worry.

[Badger Bob]

Dingo, on 09 April 2012 - 08:58 PM, said:

you know I'm still mad as hell at Jagr, but to see him skating Saturday, to see him strip the puck and take off the other way, it gave me chills. I want to hate him but I can't. He may be 40 ucking years old but dammit he still has magic in him. and y'all know if he were to sign a one year contract with the Pens next year, you would give yourselves carpal tunnel from fapping. whether you hate him or like him He is still one of the best players out there.

No I don't want him and no he's not one of the best players out there (tied for 29th in points and tied for 24th in goals). He might show a flash now and then, but his age is catching up with him and his health will become more of a concern next season. I respect and appreciate his accomplishments that he acheived here and like TDL I never boo'd the guy. Even took issue with people sitting around me that boo'd him when the Pens played the Rags in the playoffs. But he has no place on this team. Anyone that would be excited if he came here would be living in the past. And I haven't even touched on his moody personality, which may be less than his younger years, but it still exists. No thanks.

[Astro_Mikey]

Y'all can tell him directly yourselves:

Jagr's twitter page, now with more actual Jaromir Jagr