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Posted 21 February 2012 - 09:13 AM

Tuesday, February 14, 2012

National GOP Primary

Rick Santorum 30%
Mitt Romney 27%
Ron Paul 12%
Newt Gingrich 10%

CBS/New York Times02/13/2012331

http://www.politico....idential-polls/
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 09:21 AM

I don't know what to think. Santorum kind of scares me.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 09:24 AM

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I don't know what to think. Santorum kind of scares me.

He scares me a whole lot less than Maobama
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 09:27 AM

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He scares me a whole lot less than Maobama


I'm just looking at the Republican primary group. I like him more than Romney, but I don't know how well he'd fare against Obama nationally. He might be too far out there conservatively for enough mass appeal.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 09:35 AM

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Tuesday, February 14, 2012

National GOP Primary

Rick Santorum 30%
Mitt Romney 27%
Ron Paul 12%
Newt Gingrich 10%

CBS/New York Times02/13/2012331

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 09:37 AM

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I'm just looking at the Republican primary group. I like him more than Romney, but I don't know how well he'd fare against Obama nationally. He might be too far out there conservatively for enough mass appeal.

I'd worry about him carrying the female moderate vote and any on the left of center. That said however, the inverse would apply to Mitt. Also, I'd certainly take any of them over Newt.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 09:42 AM

View Postbillvill, on 21 February 2012 - 09:37 AM, said:

I'd worry about him carrying the female moderate vote and any on the left of center. That said however, the inverse would apply to Mitt. Also, I'd certainly take any of them over Newt.



Did you happen to see Santorum dueling with Bob Schieffer?

I watched it Sunday morning. Santorum took no shit from the guy. I loved it.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 10:01 AM

View PostBadger Bob, on 21 February 2012 - 09:42 AM, said:

Did you happen to see Santorum dueling with Bob Schieffer?

I watched it Sunday morning. Santorum took no shit from the guy. I loved it.

Didn't see it, but the more I see of the guy, the more capable he looks.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 10:08 AM

View Postbillvill, on 21 February 2012 - 10:01 AM, said:

Didn't see it, but the more I see of the guy, the more capable he looks.



I'm waiting for our favorite ex-Penn HIlls School Board member to come out of the woodwork against him again.


I like him. The reason I'm scared is his ability to win the national election and the media's constant obsession with trying to tear apart everything he says. He's a big target for the liberal media.


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Posted 21 February 2012 - 10:22 AM

View PostBadger Bob, on 21 February 2012 - 10:08 AM, said:

I'm waiting for our favorite ex-Penn HIlls School Board member to come out of the woodwork against him again.


I like him. The reason I'm scared is his ability to win the national election and the media's constant obsession with trying to tear apart everything he says. He's a big target for the liberal media.


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Front runner is always the favorite target. He may surprise us. Face it, in a general election he'll likely only have to carry 52 or 53% of the vote. You know Obama's not gonna get more than 50%
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 10:40 AM

View PostBadger Bob, on 21 February 2012 - 09:27 AM, said:

I'm just looking at the Republican primary group. I like him more than Romney, but I don't know how well he'd fare against Obama nationally. He might be too far out there conservatively for enough mass appeal.



Are you saying we should pick a more moderate? Kind of like McCain? :D
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 10:42 AM

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Are you saying we should pick a more moderate? Kind of like McCain? :D

...and bolster the ticket with a Wild West Woman??
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 10:48 AM

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Are you saying we should pick a more moderate? Kind of like McCain? :D


Romney is McCain 2.0. Maybe Santorum has a shot. I wish we'd hear more from Ron Paul. He's like the man behind the curtain.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 10:50 AM

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...and bolster the ticket with a Wild West Woman??


The media made sure they marginalized her. Most of the time, the one they go after the most is the one they fear the greatest. They wouldn't want all the entitlement programs cut thus eliminating their base's reason to continue to support the Dem. Oh, and just imagine how terrible it would have been for this country had those evil big oil companies been allowed to drill. Just the thought of it would have made the envirowhackos even crazier. We can't have them upset...just look at the Keystone XL pipeline. Other than for pandering to this group, I haven't heard one good or valid reason for denying it.

Conservatives need to stop letting the liberal media tell them who their candidate should be.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 10:53 AM

View PostBadger Bob, on 21 February 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:

Romney is McCain 2.0. Maybe Santorum has a shot. I wish we'd hear more from Ron Paul. He's like the man behind the curtain.



Ron Paul kills his chances with his foreign policy. The sad part is if you read about it, it isn't nearly as bad as he articulates it. I can't understand why he has such troubles portraying his ideas, but that factor does make me wonder about how effectively he could run the country.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 12:05 PM

View PostBadger Bob, on 21 February 2012 - 10:08 AM, said:

I'm waiting for our favorite ex-Penn HIlls School Board member to come out of the woodwork against him again.


I like him. The reason I'm scared is his ability to win the national election and the media's constant obsession with trying to tear apart everything he says. He's a big target for the liberal media.


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Oh please, I hope not.

I like Santorum. Saw him in the lab years ago when he came in for blood work and he was very personable. OK, could be the politician in him, but he seemed very down to Earth.
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 08:06 AM

View PostHockey Stick, on 21 February 2012 - 10:53 AM, said:

Ron Paul kills his chances with his foreign policy. The sad part is if you read about it, it isn't nearly as bad as he articulates it. I can't understand why he has such troubles portraying his ideas, but that factor does make me wonder about how effectively he could run the country.



its his age

his son will carry the torch very well, and the wise old man understands this

10+ years ago he was the only one screaming to audit the fed, and people back then thought it was a stupid waste of time

now its so common even "democrats" are jumping on the band wagon

ron understands his role is to continue to be cutting edge on some of these ideas, in hopes they too catch on

his foreign policy is about as "Founding Father" as it gets, but seems so "out of touch" because the neoconservatives own the party

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 08:09 AM

i have found it interesting that Santorum is somehow being called a "conservative" too

this guy scares the hell out of me






Drudge: Time to Take Down Santorum's Disguise

http://www.dailypaul...torums-disguise


I'm not going to personally attack Rick Santorum or his wife who opted to sue her chiropractor for $500,000 because she "gained weight".
Senator Santorum was stumping for a $250,000 cap on medical malpractice suits. She settled for $350,000 reportedly.
Whatever.
It's no secret Santorum is a serial hypocrite.

"Do as I say, not as I did"

But Santorum's voting record is overwhelmingly inconsistent with the campaign propaganda that comes out of his mouth.
He is not remotely a conservative or a defender of freedom. He is a big government, "Show-me-the-money" LOBBYIST. Period. End of story.

★Defense and Foreign Policy

Voted for the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC).
Voted against requiring the President to certify that the CWC is effectively verifiable.
Voted against requiring the President to certify that that Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya, North Korea, China, and all other countries determined to be state sponsors of terror have joined CWC prior to submitting the instrument of ratification.
Voted for the START II Treaty
Voted to allow the sale of supercomputers to China.
Voted to ban antipersonnel landmines
Voted against increasing defense spending offset by equivalent cuts in non-defense spending.
Voted to require that Federal bureaucrats get the same payraises as uniformed military.
Voted to allow food and medicine sales to state sponsors of terror and tyranical regimes such as Libya and Cuba.
Voted to limit the President’s authority to impose sanctions on nations for reasons of national security unless the sanctions were approved by a multilateral regime.
Voted against requiring Congressional authorization for military action in Bosnia.
Voted to give $25 million in foreign aid to North Korea
Voted to weaken alien terrorist deportation provisions. If the Court determines that the evidence must be withheld for national security reasons, the Justice Department must still provide a summary of the evidence sufficient for the alien terrorist to mount a defense against deportation.
Voted against delaying the India Nuclear until the President certified that India had agreed to suspend military-to-military exchanges with Iran.
Voted against the Conventional Trident Missile Program

★Nominations

Voted for Richard Paez to the 9th Curcuit (cloture)
Voted for Sonia Sotomayor, Circuit Judge
Voted for Richard Holbrooke to be Ambassador to the UN
Voted for Margaret Morrow to be District Judge
Voted twice for Marsha Berzon to the 9thg Circuit
Voted for Mary McLaughlin to be District Judge
Voted for Tim Dyk to be District Judge
Voted for James Brady to be District Judge

★Labor

Voted against National Right to Work Act
Voted against Real of Davis-Bacon Prevailing union wages
Voted for Alexis Herman to be Secretary of Labor
Voted for mandatory Federal child care funding
Voted for Trade Adjustment Assistance.
Voted for Job Corps funding
Voted twice in support of Fedex Unionization
Voted against allowing a waiver of Davis-Bacon in emergency situations.
Voted for minimum wage increases six times here here here here here and here
Voted to require a union representative on an IRS oversight board.
Voted to exempt IRS union representative from criminal ethics laws.
Voted against creating independent Board of Governors to investigate IRS abuses.

★Guns

Voted to require pawn shops to do background checks on people who pawn a gun.
Voted twice to make it illegal to sell a gun without a secure storage or safety device
Voted for a Federal ban on possession of “assault weapons” by those under 18.
Voted for Federal funding for anti-gun education programs in schools.
Voted for anti-gun juvenile justice bill.

★Reform

Voted for funding for the legal services corporation.
Voted twice for a Congressional payraise.
Voted to impose a uniform Federal mandate on states to force them to allow convicted rapits, arsonists, drug kingpins, and all other ex-convicts to vote in Federal elections.
Voted for the Specter “backup plan” to allow campaign finance reform to survive if portions of the bill were found unconstitutional.
Voted to mandate discounted broadcast times for politicians.
Voted for a McCain amendment to require State and local campaign committees to report all campaign contributions to the FEC and to require all campaign contributions to be reported to the FEC within 24 hours within 90 days of an election.

★Immigration

Voted against increasing the number of immigration investigators
Voted to allow illegal immigrants to receive the earned income credit before becoming citizens
Voted to give SSI benefits to legal aliens.
Voted to give welfare benefits to naturalized citizens without regard to to the earnings of their sponsors.
Voted against hiring an additional 1,000 border partrol agents, paid for by reductions in state grants.

★Taxes

Voted against a flat tax.
Voted to increase tobacco taxes to pay for Medicare prescription drugs
Voted to increase tobacco taxes to fund health insurance subsidies for small businesses.
Voted to increase tobacco taxes to pay for an $8 billion increase in child healh insurance.
Voted to increase tobacco taxes to pay for an increase in NIH funding.
Voted twice for internet taxes.
Voted to allow gas tax revenues to be used to subsidize Amtrak.
Voted to strike marriage penalty tax relief and instead provide fines on tobacco companies.
Voted against repealing the Clinton 4.3 cent gas tax increase.
Voted to increase taxes by $2.3 billion to pay for an Amtrak trust fund.
Voted to allow welfare to a minor who had a child out of wedlock and who resided with an adult who was on welfare within the previous two years.
Voted to increase taxes by $9.4 billion to pay for a $9.4 billion increase in student loans.
Voted to say that AMT patch is more important than capital gains and dividend relief.

★Welfare

Voted against food stamp reform
Voted against Medicaid reform
Voted against TANF reform
Voted to increase the Social Services Block Grant from $1 billion to $2 billion
Voted to increase the FHA loan from $170,000 to $197,000. Also opposed increasing GNMA guaranty from 6 basis points to 12.
Voted for $2 billion for low income heating assistance.

★Waste

Sponsored An amendment to increase Amtrak funds by $550 million
Voted to use HUD funds for the Joslyn Art Museum (NE), the Stand Up for Animals project (RI) and the Seattle Art Museum’s Olympic Sculpture Project (WA)
Voted to increase spending on social programs by $7 billion
Voted to increase NIH funding by $1.6 billion.
Voted to increase NIHnding by $700 million
Voted to for a $2 million earmark to renovate the Vulcan Monument (AL)
Voted for a $1 billion bailout for the steel industry
Voted against requiring that highway earmarks would come out of a state’s highway allocation
Voted to allow Market Access Program funds to go to foreign companies.
Voted to allow OPIC to increase its administrative costs by 50%
Voted against transferring $20 million from Americorps to veterans.
Voted for the $140 billion asbestos compensation bill.
Voted against requiring a uniform medical criteria to ensure asbestos claims were legitimate.
Voted to increase community development programs by $2 billion.

★Spending and Entitlements

Voted to make Medicare part B premium subsidies an new entitlement.
Voted against paying off the debt ($5.6 trillion at the time) within 30 years.
Voted to give $18 billion to the IMF.
Voted to raid Social Security instead of using surpluses to pay down the debt.

★Health Care

**Santorum's top two campaign contributors: Blue Cross Blue Shield & High Mark. I couldn't make this up.

Voted to allow states to impose health care mandates that are stricter than proposed new Federal mandates, but not weaker.
Voted twice for Federal mental health parity mandates in health insurance.
Voted against a allow consumers the option to purchase a plan outside the parity mandate.

★Education

Voted to increase Federal funding for teacher testing
Voted to increase spending for the Department of Education by $3.1 billion.
Voted against requiring courts to consider the impact of IDEA awards on a local school district.

★Energy

Voted to allow the President to designate certain sites as interim nuclear waste storage sites in the event that he determines that Yucca Mountain is not a suitable site for a permanent waste repository. Those sites are as follows: the nuclear waste site in Hanford, Washington; the Savannah River Site in South Carolina; Barnwell County, South Carolina; and the Oak Ridge Reservation in Tennessee.

★NEA
Voted for taxpayer funding of the National Endowment for the Arts.
Voted against a 10% cut in the budget for National Endowment for the Arts.

★Bankruptcy
Voted for a Schumer amendment to make the debts of pro-life demonstrators not dischargeable in bankruptcy.

★This partial list does not even include his support for No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part D, (Bigger than Obama care) http://www.clubforgr...bsec=137&id=902 FIVE debt ceiling increases, funding the bridge to nowhere, refusing to redirect earmark allocations to disaster relief along the Gulf Coast post Katrina, etc

★Club for Growth today rendered an opinion on U.S. Rep. Ron Paul’s charge that Rick Santorum is a “big government, big spending individual.”

Verdict: Mostly true.

From Club for Growth analysis:

During a particularly touchy exchange at the ABC News debate, Paul attacked Santorum for being a “big-government, big spending individual.” To back up this claim, Paul offered four substantive examples: that Santorum voted to raise the nation’s debt limit five times, that Santorum voted against “right to work” laws, that he voted for No Child Left Behind, and that he voted for the Medicare Prescription Drug benefit.
Research shows that all four substantive allegations against Santorum are true.
http://www.revolutio...owth-confirm...

★Rick Santorum: Top-tier on Most Corrupt Member of Congress list 2 years running
http://www.examiner....on-dc/rick-s...

★Patriot Act
Privacy is in 4th amendment, but Patriot Act is ok
Q: [to Paul] Sen. Santorum believes that the Supreme Court was wrong when it decided that a right to privacy was embedded in the Constitution.
SANTORUM: No, let's be clear. We're talking about the 10th Amendment and the right of states to act.
PAUL: I think the Fourth Amendment is very clear. It is explicit in our privacy. You can't go into anybody's house and look at what they have or their papers or any private things without a search warrant. This is why the Patriot Act is wrong, because you have a right of privacy by the Fourth Amendment.
SANTORUM: Congressman Paul is talking about privacy rights under the Fourth Amendment, in which I agree with him, I don't necessarily agree that the Patriot Act violates that. But I do agree that obviously we have a right to privacy under the Fourth Amendment.
Source: WMUR 2012 GOP New Hampshire debate , Jan 7, 2012
http://www.issues200...eland_Securi...

★NDAA
"In January 2011, Senator Santorum was asked if he would have signed the 2012 NDAA if he were President. Acknowledging that the legislation granted the President the right to arrest and detain US citizens, Senator Santorum then stated that indeed would have signed the legislation.."
http://www.thepoliti.../Pennsylvani...







Rick Santorum is not conservative

he is a social issues big government lunatic

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 08:14 AM

Freak, you're gonna have to make a compromise somewhere as it appears your guy isn't gonna be the nominee. So, do you waste the vote with Mickey Mouse, or do you support the party?
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 08:35 AM

View Postbillvill, on 22 February 2012 - 08:14 AM, said:

Freak, you're gonna have to make a compromise somewhere as it appears your guy isn't gonna be the nominee. So, do you waste the vote with Mickey Mouse, or do you support the party?



havent made my mind up

hoping for a brokered convention where a new face emerges

santorum is a scary version of the right's obama. he's big government. and he'll attempt right wing social engineering from a Federal Government



the bastardisation of the word "conservative" is disappointing.

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